Santa Booed First - Eagles Podcast
Santa Booed First - Eagles Podcast

Season 1, Episode 159 · 4 months ago

Why Eagles Training Camp Stinks | Phillies vs Pirates Live Reaction and Playoff Push

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The guys are back to say why this years Eagles Training Camp Stinks compared to past Training Camps. As fans we use to love a drive up to Lehigh and practices being opened to public. Far cry from the old days. The guys talk about the early reports about Jalen Hurts and are we all buying into the hype

Philadelphia Phillies successfully won a series against the Atlanta Braves and helps them with their playoff push. As of right now , the Phillies are still tied for the last wild card spot. The guys look at the project outlook for the reset of season

#JalenHurts #Eagles #Phillies

PODCAST. Tonight we'll be talking about training camps starting up. We got the phillies in the second half of their season, so stick around. Here's some bold takes, I'm sure, and some Nice, clean, fun arguments. Were from eight a period, peak a period. WHAT'S UP, everybody? Another Thursday evening here in a beautiful downtown Willow Grove from coming to you live from the cracked bell production studios. Let me get the sponsors out of the way. First, we got the wonderful pop s mccan's whiskeys, liquoring up the elder statesman. Tonight. The two professionals of the show are keeping it clean and classy. Oh yeah, and we also have Matt Maloney Insurance. Ten Easy quotes, ten quotes, ten minutes and ten minutes. What's I forget the that the food you just chowed down. And then we had the delicious Mama Mes as always, uh, filling our bellies. So, yeah, I had some good some good wings, some good pizza. You can always yeah, yeah, Jim, I was all for the free dessert out of a refrigerator. I don't know, you don't have the pool there. I guess that that I may have. We got a free dessert and I grabbed the CANOIS. I grabbed the canoes and left the gun. Maybe they felt I didn't get the reference at first. And then he's like the God first. I couldn't believe that my son did not get that right. I'm not a big godfather. I already get over. Doesn't matter. You're in the mafia movie. You're in the mafia movies. You should know that. That's an iconic line. Whatever. Anyway, this is not. This is not your wonderful, wonderful host like you all usually here in Jim Marcus. This is D J Martin. Uh, to my right, we got yeah, that you know what, that intro is not smooth. You know, Jim's professional when it comes to introductions to a podcast, so I think we should leave that up to him from now on. But yeah, I was just filling in for the night. Uh, Jim's what's? What's he doing on vacations down the shore? People actually go on vacation with the National Autograph Convention, Him in his summer looking at some sports mem it must be nice. Just you know whatever. Alright, we got to my right, right there, you here. Damn. That is we'll just scratch Jim from the show, Dude, you don't show up. Come on, man, we're all in the show up. Yeah, we gave it to you, though. I didn't. We didn't. I actually we didn't really go as bad as we just did for Jim, but yeah, I was gonna say. But Anyway, that beautiful voice you here is another, none other than the ruthless AP Ryan Smitty. What's up? What's up, man? Dj Did a great job, dude, that you don't have to lie to me. I thought it was better than what the older statesman can do. All right, excuse me. All right, to his right, insulting, insulting, the insulting, insulting. The other statesman is deek Donald Kennedy. What's up, hello, Donald Joseph. Yeah, that's my father. Yeah, he loves I'M HIS DADDY. Him and Andrew both love calling me Deeck or Donald Daddy. At least, Mr Martin, we got we got the producer of this ship show, Nate. What's update behind the class? Let me do behind the glass, supporting us in our show and our dream of doing a podcast, we have nate money moss. Make sure you check out the money pot from money pot always giving you some great bets. And you know, taking care of you. So, nate, welcome to you always. I don't know, because you volunteer. I mean if you guys want and and you said you got it all up here again. Now, if we do start, I might make a DJ look bad. I ain't trying to dude you would. I mean that was horrible. That was not my best performance, as we all know. What the problem is is that Pel last minute we said, well, no, I told him take it over you in the car, in the ride up, I did say I would be like, I'll do it all right. Well, I thought you did. I did horrible. Like you know, Jordan had off nights too. It's okay, I'll bounce. I'll bounce back in the second half. Al Right, I love how you compare yourself. A ball ahead, black man. I'm...

...just saying, don't forget tall and don't forget tall and athletic. You know the goat as the goat, you know even he had some rough joe white just said he would have stopped up tonight. Thanks for telling us. Now we're still here and we just started. You can come up. Maybe you can do the intro. Al Right, training campus started. We're two days into it. Now, some of us are okay with the new changes the NFL is making, not just the eagles in training camp, others, as I'm sure you could guess or not. Myself, I don't really care, you know, as long as they're getting a proper work in and doing what they need to do, going overplace schemes, all that good stuff. Watching the film, I'm fine with what the NFL is changing in terms of training camps going forward. I don't really see the big issue with these shortened practices and a no it in and the no pads every day. That's okay with me. It cuts down on the injuries. Cuts down on the injuries or in the season as well, because they're not beating up their bad bodies as much. So I think it's better for the sport. I think it's better for the money that these guys are making. It's better for the fans because you get to watch your stars play for more than what they used to be able to do. I mean there's still injuries. That's football. Injuries are gonna Happen. Yeah, he did just get hurt, but you know, not yet, they say, and end the season injuries. I'M ASSUMING A C L and wasn't he on the fence of coming back anywhere? Yes, he's an older player, Ryan Jensen. So I mean it's it is what it is. The NFL changing this going forward because they want to cut down on injuries. They want to make sure that these guys can play it for longer than what they do already. So I'm okay with this. I really don't. I get the problem. Like I see the issues that it doesn't get them in the proper football shape, if you want to call it that. But the professional athletes are professional full players. I think they'll be okay. I think they'll be able to manage. You Care to the Mr Smith. I like this. I kind of agree with Dj. I mean I think they're taking their care of their bodies year round. Um, I know that you know the make or break. I mean, obviously it happened today in Tampa. So I'm not saying it's gonna completely cut down, but you want to go into a season fully healthy. Right. You're gonna have the preseason games too to work out the kinks. But like practice, like, I don't think you need to beat the hell out of each other to the point where somebody gets injured. I mean I think you need to go full throttle. But here's the thing. I will say. I'd much rather have a j brown healthy because he only practiced an hour a day, as opposed to J A J Brown, you know, getting hurt freak injury because they practiced for three hours in the heat and they were dehydrated or whatever it is. But I'm just saying, like, I don't have a problem with it as long as, when when it comes too, week one, these guys are ready to go, and I feel like they are ready to go. I mean you have the off season, many camps that they do and things like that. So to me, all it's gonna do is, you know, give you a better brand of football because less people are gonna be hurt. Now, does that mean injuries aren't gonna Happen to Ur in the year? Absolutely not. But I don't think that there's a correlation between shorter training camps and guys that are going to get at the beginning of the year, because I think injuries are just part of football. But if I can limit injuries to have the best team on there when I start, especially when you're paying them that the money these these guys make nowadays, to the owners want to make sure I understand. Like buddies and you know, people post like the history of training, you know, facebook, fully, fully padded, dripped and sweat to barely get up, you know. Yea Man's man's man. Nate. Nate, you got anything to add today? Yeah, you're the former football players. Take care of your bodies. They take care of their bodies anyway. Nate. Yeah, I mean, but it was different when we played right, we did like three days. Yeah, the mentality was different. What's once you start getting up into the ranks, it is more about fit instead of, like, you know, having full tackle, like you have to hit Um, but something. It's just counting on the coach. Some coaches are, you know, like Andy was notorious for hitting doring camp. You know what I mean. He was known to have hard hitting practices. Um and other another teams that you know, even I played for. You's done but shorts and set themselves. So what's? What's you're feeling on the new and it's not just training camp practice ways, you know, are you four against somewhere in between? What's your take? I mean, here's a question for you. Do we care about training camp now? We don't care about training camp. I care about them getting him full. I Care a little bit about it. You know, I want I don't want to see slop but I don't think you're gonna see slop. No, but I want to make sure that they're having actual NFL type level practices too. I don't want to see, you know, them just running through the motion per se Al. Right, can. Can? I can. Angry...

...man yells at cloud. No, angry old man. No. I understand that they need a bit of a balance between the way it used to be and the way it is today and and I think they've gone way too far the opposite direction. Uh Yes, back in the days of Buddy Ryan, back in the days of Um you know, you know, different players before, different coaches before him, Um and and and uh Andy Reid, the practices were notoriously long rough. Buddy Ryan enjoyed fisticuffs between his players. He uh I remember watching the you know, the eleven o'clock news, and there'll be highlight clips from training camp when training camp was happening, and at least once a week during the Buddy Ryan or they showed clips of a fight during training camp at least once a week. What what does that have to do with team. No, what what I'm saying is. What I'm saying is the way training camps used to be. They got in the football shape, they got into playing shape, they got their bodies used to being knocked around and ready for the I let you speak, let me speak. Okay, they need to get their bodies into hitting shape, football shape. A runner who only runs five miles every time he goes out won't know that he can do eight miles unless he tries. A weightlifter only lifts two hundred pounds won't know that he can lift to fifty, to seventy five unless he tries. When you're teaching your body that I'm only going to do this much and I'm never gonna break through that barrier of doing just this much, you're not gonna know, mentally or physically what you're capable of enduring unless you do it. You'RE NOT gonna be getting your reps in because you're not gonna be getting your reps in and understanding what your position on the field is supposed to do strictly by watching it on film or reading about it in a playbook. You gotta go out and do it, but it includes hitting while you're doing it, because if just doing a tackling dummy or if you're just putting hands on each other and not actually bringing each other to the ground, you're not gonna learn what you can do, what you're capable of enduring. As I let you finish. Let me finish at this point. No, it Pisces me off that they don't want to go ahead and do these things. You've got to be able to know what you can do, what you can handle. As as somebody on the radio, I think it was John Richie, today, said, football is a game of lining up man to men and across a line from each other and wanting to impose your will on that man on the other side of the line from you. If you can't learn how to do that during practice and during training camp, you're not gonna learn it during a game. You've got to be able to impose your will on that on that man that's lined up across from you, and you've got to be willing to take his heart out and show it to him. That's what football is about. It's about being physical, it's about playing hurt, it's about willing to suffer and do the do what you need to do for the betterment of the team. If you're being taught and trained that you don't have to do that. They're practice didn't even last the length of a game. It was fifty eight minutes. It game is sixty minutes. They didn't even practice the length of a game. I don't care. And they're going through a freaking walk through today. Are you kidding me? Come on, man, get out there and do something. Ike Greece was saying that they report. Rookies would report a week ahead of time before the vets get out there. I go through their two days and getting pads and hit and whatnot, and the vets would show up a week later and the next day they were out there hitting in pads. The next day that the day after they showed up. You they have to do this. They can't. They can't get in football shape, they can't get ready for football and they come preseason games. They're a joke to get ready for the starters to play no more than a series and and guess what it's gonna look like? Ship for a month. The starters are gonna look like ship for a month. I don't how many the the eagles were on pace to set a record last year in penalties. You know why? Because they aren't ready to play, because they didn't play in the...

...preseason. But it's not, it's not just they. How I get it's not just yes and it's not. And it's the CB A that dictates it, because the players wanted to. I get it. I get it. I get it's the NFL, but they they've they've swung the pendulum way too far in the other directions. They've got to come to a happy medium where they practice in pads at least four or five times a week. All Right, I understand everything you're saying, right, do you? Yes, I do. Would you say that today's NFL is a better brand of football than what was recent in the last thirty years? Would you say there's more talent and more superstars on the field today than there ever ever been before? Yeah, because they're they have more advantages today than they did. But they have more advantages today than yeah, technology is sports science. If you take those players from thirty, forty years ago and put them in NFL today, they would be just as good, if not better. Then maybe, but we won't. We won't know. But I'm just just got three lacks for his rant. My my point is, thank you everyone who just gave me a light. I think that today's Today's NFL, is a better brand of football as a whole than what it's ever been. You have more superstars in talent all over the field than you ever have before. There were plenty of superstars back in a day. Dude. It was a running league. That's why it was all that. I guess who do superstars were? What the running back it was like? Dj I said that on purpose. Relax, okay, I don't mean this personally. I mean this because of your age. Okay, you're ignorant when you're speaking of what happened thirty years ago. Highlights are not making a week out because he doesn't know what he's speaking of. He didn't see it. Ignorant meaning lack of knowledge, not being rude. It's a lack of not college. The game is better than it was before playing it simple. The game is better now than it ever has been before it played simple. You know why? You know why? Because of rule changes for the offense. There are so many different rule changes against the defense. It's ridiculous. made the game better, did it not? Not necessarily, because if you enjoyed the game back then. You enjoyed the game back then. Alright. So so this this is a question for you then, because you're the only one that's in this room and show that has watched the game before. And now it's the game better now than it was before? It's as far as athleticism and talent, I guess it is, but as far as aggression and competitiveness and and just you know, physical with each other's not. Because you're not allowed to do things now that you were back then. That didn't the quarterbacks that played today wouldn't have been able to play forty years ago. But because what you were allowed to do wide receivers today, I don't know if they would have survived forty years ago because you were able to knock rob receivers all the way down the field until the ball was in the air. But it made the game better now, not necessarily. If you enjoyed that brand of football, that's what you like. I'm not saying it's a bad brand of fall, but it's not as entertaining. Would you would you rather go? Ever been watching. We could rather go to a game that the hits today. That's awesome, great, that's great for the old generation. But but I'm asking you. Would you rather go to a football game paying the money that you pay for nowadays for a ticket, which is absurd, and the money you pay for concession in parking, which is absurd? Would you rather go to the game and watch a tend nothing game with maybe one or two were high nothing games, okay, but a majority of them were not a f C. Wait, a f c West Games were shooting, or would you rather go to a game and watch, you know, like a close, thirty, one seven game with great plays? Here, like everywhere, there's a lot of blowouts. Today too, there's yeah, but the game as a whole and the brand as a whole is farm beyond better. Well, you know, I'm a defensive guy first and that's what I enjoy. I enjoy teams being stop. Now, it's not boring. You can't the truth. If you if you appreciate defense, then it's not boring. That's what I love, and I love. I love when you can say screw you, you're not scoring. I appreciate that as much as anybody else do. But I also like watching yard bombs. I do Tom I do to excite, but but I my thing is defense. I've always been about defense first. Doesn't it bother you when, like, and this has happened several times since the eagles have gone in the pads, that you already know, basically, that their season is over because some guy got hurt first weekend? Yeah, and and look at look at all those tough practices and you got that they had. And what did it win them?...

What did it win them? Nothing, and they didn't win anything doing it didn't. It didn't win thirty one teams anything. It only I'm saying, like, what's it matter? The tough pres but you got to be ready. And as far as injuries are concerned, I can't remember who it was, but I remember specifically a player running out, and it may have been before the first game in the season, running out of the tunnel and he broke a freaking bone in his foot. I lost like two months of injuries. Happy, they happen any time. been a lot more often now, like they but no, no, no, no. But here's my point about the injuries. Is there, when the injuries are happening in training camp, it piste off the league because there's star players going down, which causes people to not watch because their star players aren't playing and it's during training camp, which means nothing. It's it's an unnecessary like, not any injuries necessary, but an unnecessary injury. Where in a game, you know, all right, he's playing a game, he got hurt. You know what happens in training camp. You're not really switched to get injured. That's what I think the NFL, but you can get injured at any time. That's what I and and training camp is. Well, I'm sorry. The NFL is all about money now. It's it's always been about money, but there's so much money involved now, which they why all sports, not just which is why they're sports, want to protect their players because there's so much money involved. Would you rather go to a game and watch the second string wide receiver? Exactly. That's why they're changing these practice rules. But in training camp, let's not forget, like I know about taking away from the guy's hitting. These are now professional athletes. One percent of college play. Exactly. They'RE gonna find they're gonna remember they finish this point. They they know how to like you know how to hit exactly, like when I was in college and I played, or when I played. You know my practice for arena team and stuff like that. We didn't hit. It's not like we forgot to hit. Like I don't like you need to take that for those first couple of hits to kind of get yourn, but we've been playing football for fifteen years. I know what it likes to get hit. Well then, how come I watch so many Miss Tackles? Because they're good players. They know they don't do the technique right. They don't. They tackle high. You're supposed to stick with your shoulder midsection and bring him down. Said than time. But if you practice it, hold on. These guys don't practice it. Listen, Hallie Rosemand Jeff Lori, Nick Sirianni, if you're listening, this man wants a job. He's got the passion, he's got the fire. He will take this team to another level. So please, this guy had chance. I will. Don't they give the pregame pre let this guy come around multimillionaires and tell him to tackle. They don't tell you. Kiss my ass, elder statement. But how many times you see somebody go up for the shoulder pads and try and bring down a player? I know, but that's what happened. That doesn't work. That happened for years. It doesn't work because, no, it's been really it's been recent. There for a reason, though. They get injured. They tackle hard because they're not gonna hurt. It's like a Brotherhood thing, like I'm not going to take please it is. I get your point, but that's bullshit. You disagree, you're not. My Brotherhood is my teammates, not the guy on the other side of the freaking your teammates. And why the hell are you want to beat the hell out of the training game? I'm not talking about I'm talking about practicing hard. There's a difference between practice hard and beat the hell out of definition of practicing hard just sitting up and tackling and running drills. Let's start doing that. I'm not necessarily the whole pads and tackling, but running. They just sat there in shells and shorts. Yeah, but that's that's there's no tackling going on. All right. They practice on, you know, moving objects to tackle. You know, there's rolling. What those rolling thing? What the dummies? The Rolling Dummies? They have that they use those. Yeah, and and those practice, those tackling dummies. Don't give us four on back dude. They don't, but I'm just saying that those practice dummies don't. They're not had it. I understand, not in hard plans that they're. They're patted anybody on practice, like maybe like Lineman, one on one, because we hit everything. But if I had a clean shot at my practice, I'm not taking them out. But you tackle them though. Didn't, I mean not get him a hit? But yeah, exactly. It's more than what they're doing now. If I had a clean shot hitting practice, somebody went down or I made a good play and I got free and I had one on one shot. Yeah, leading out the clean shot, I'm running right past and I'm not hitting them. Did your coaches get on you? If, if, if, guys are making a hit and they say, when they say the drills live, that means tackle to the ground. That's in you know. That's in college. You got a lot of players. But, like nate said, these guys just don't magically forget how to tackle. Them play full all. They...

...made it as far from yes, yes, but having it up here and down here are two different things. Once you get out of that repetition. Well, sorry, they got it down here. Once you get out of the repetition of tackling. It's like it's like, okay, I shot foul shots my entire life, but I'm going to take off the next two years and just occasionally shoot a foul shot. Your percentage to bring your percentage at the end of those two years is going to be less than it was at the beginning of Chris Blum. Thank you, Christopher Blum. Seventy players were in great shape when they got to camp. Plus players now have the tech to learn to please not as much practice as needed, and also deck. You need to think about that. Technology and fitness is all helpsome. That's why they don't have to go as crazy as they used to. Like not, I mean not, you just get but they were saying they got to get the repetitions. But they but they're professional athletes. They have that switch on Game Day to go. All right, it's freaking go time. I'M gonna go knock somebody's head off. They are professional athletes. They're not high school buying it. You got preseason games. were all preseason games are garbage. They don't they the starter doesn't even play anymore. The other thing is too don't forget. They practice with teams towards the end the training game. Joint Practices. Yeah, what do you mean? That's gonna be the new preseason in five years? And Yeah, they're not already. Is there already have one preseason? Did Nick Sirianni proclaimed last year a bunch of coaches against New England training. A bunch of coaches proclaimed joint practices is a new preseas. I'm gonna tell you right now. What I heard is, and this is that they might start doing all their practices through zoos. Everybody will be off. So the only way that they can get hurt is if, like, they get off. But my my final point, my final point. Would you or would you not agree that the brand and the level of football right now is is better than what it used to be? It is depends on what you prefer. Yeah, but if you brought the if you brought the players from from the seventies eighties up to today, they and give them the same advantages that today's players have, they would be just as good. Whoever, and you know whoever, you want to bring. Give me somebody. Give me, give me a notable, good player that we all know. That would set joiner. Okay, said Randall would be. Well, he his thing. Would he always needed better coaching? He He didn't have good coaching. Yeah, he played into the nineties. Could you think Brian Dawkins would have the same career that he did? He wouldn't be because he wouldn't be able to allow to hate the way he did. But he would adjust because he's a professional athlete. Yes, which he still would have been all of famer. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like these guys are professional athletes. They're able to adjust, no matter if they're practicing in walk throughs or in pads. I'll go one like Brian Dawkins, to me, was a practice hard guy. He looks like he practiced hard. I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure, yeah, you know, but here. But somebody like Ed Reid not a practice hard guy. He shows up on Game Day. Yeah, I can see that, because because he's he's just he's naturally gifted and he can turn it on whenever he wants. Like Brian Dawkins, had the talent, but he, you knew, he was under he was under size a little bit, so he had to work a little harder than I mean. You know, are you interested in in Hall of fame? Players from yesteryear or running the mill players, nate, somebody, Wilbert Montgomery, Franklin, Mashter, Bill Bergie, Carl Hairston, Randy Logan, this league? Was He? What was he fast enough to play his league, because defensive players have a lot faster now than they are that. They're also well smaller the position. Some of the positions are smaller, like linebackers. Aren't what you're prototypical. Ray Lewis, linebacker was. No, I mean looking too, Kobe now. Well, because players were smaller. Backer bowns, you know, Jim Brown played in the fifties and sixties and he was bigger than any any defensive lineman or linebacker out there. You're talking about arguably, and it might opinion, the best football player to ever played the game, Jim Brown. Absolutely, yeah, I won't argue that one bit. Yeah, Um, but I mean he was. Yeah, he he was. He was as big as any lineman or linebacker. Again, like your your typical linebacker. And who the best linebacker NFL is? Probably who we thinking, Bobby Wagner, or not anymore? All right, who do the dude in temper? I can't think. No, I can't think of the dude in Tampa. Lavante, David Lavonte, David, Michael Parsons, Pons, yeah, but those eyes aren't they're not ray Lewis size. Who...

...was the best linebacker when I was growing what are they? Six ft six one, you know, like two fifteen pounds. Ray Lewis? No, I'm talking about Michael. Ray Lewis was what six three to fifty like that dude was a building. He was. He was closer to two fifty and two fifteen. He's he's not Brian. You know who would be? I think Brian or lacker is the most overrated linebacker. I don't think. Did you ever see him in his Brian? Yeah, the dude was overrighte sanders would be even more dynamic in this spring of football. Could you imagine? Think about Reggie White, Reggie White Jay. Would you think he's too big to be an edge rusher? No, no, because he ran a four six seed to power. Yeah, but he was a big dude. He ran a four six. I know, I'm just saying edge rushers. Ever. You ever heard his story? Uncle Mike tell us about Reggie White. He tells a story about it was some running back. I forget who. Who It was and they they asked him. You know, what's the difference between college and the pros? And he said in college I got the corner every time, just about, and the pros I get the corner I got a guy like Reggie White, who's six five, three hundred pounds, chasing me down from behind. He says that that's just what do you think? Do you think Reggie White was going nuts and training camp? I guarantee you he was not going hard. No, he was. All right, he was. I doubt guys like him we're going crazy. You know why? Because he played for Buddy Ryan. You had no choice but to go hard and this brand of football was great. Let me bring you back a little history, even though I didn't. What about the running shoot offense? Remember? Yeah, that's what this brand of football was. Was that fun back then? Run and shoot, it's fun. Yeah, it's it's fun. Yeah, it's okay, but you just want everybody to be at he wants he wants. He won six nothing games. Yeah, I like watching good offenses. I'm excited for this eagles team. Defense. How did how did you? How did you? How did the Eagles Win a super bowl? Offense? Right, was that fun? Because neither defense fun. Did you have fun? It was one. Did you make one? Eagles win a super bowl? Yeah, because they put up a lot of points. Yeah, okay, that's just random fight ball. But neither teams played defense, but the eagles made the only play. One. They go crazy in training camp that year. You think they were in ice cream every time? Peterson probably right, in ice cream every day at the practice. They probably weren't going on right. Tell me about it. It's Christmas in July. He's probably hard at work. The Eagles injuries that happened during the super bowl year happened during the games. So I don't happen to training camps. All right, Bengo. Yeah, so, don't give me shit about injury. That was. That was that was three years ago. Training five years ago. Alright, five changed that much. You want to go back to the eighties now I just want more. I want more physical training during the game. And it's the second day, the second day in so they went from a fifty eight minute practice, which is not the length of the game, to a walk through. It's the second day. I walk through on the second days you know what you know what the other you know what you know what Andy Reid and dog and buddy and and marry Campbell say and Dick for meal and all those guys. Don't you know what they were doing all the second day? They were doing two days. So they weren't. Chip Kelly wasn't. was He doing to chip Kelly's a freak. They were smoothies. Yeah, Chason Kelsey were. I didn't mention chip Kelly. They were all doing two and days. On their second day their morning practice was two and a half hours long. I think you're beating do you remember going to Lehigh when? When we right, and that's another thing I want to we'll agree with you there about there not letting fans into practice. When when we when we would go to the morning practice and we would come out into the parking lot, what were people doing in the parking lot? They were tailgating, waiting for the second practice in the anternoon. Yeah, nothing, but that's what I'm saying. There are no more two of days. All right. Well, you kind of let into the second part of the training camp aspect of this topic. So I I will agree with him here. That not the no more open practices bothers. I mean, well, they do have the one, but you gotta pay ten dollars to the autism where, which is, which is a nice thing to do. But I mean, but, but, no, like, I don't want to sound like a Dick, but like you, I know, but but don't. Don't you agree a little, a little bit with me to pay to get into practice? I mean it's a little you know, it's going to chair. I understand it's for a really good cause. Yeah, I don't have a problem with that. So I mean, I mean, I know you guys probably didn't even know what the topic and the title of the show was, but the title...

...of the show is why does the Eagles Training Camp Stank? Do you think eagles training camps thanks this year so far? What's only two days? In a minute, just listen to everything you're saying. You're a no, no, no, but mate, I'll say in recent years it has stunk because you don't get the access that you I mean media wise, you get it, but as a tangible interaction with fans, you don't get that same training camp. Like, dude, I loved going because, think about it, we're we're lucky enough that we get to go to games right, so we get to see the team every sometimes some a lot of these fans kids. They don't get to go to games and they don't get to go to the stadium, so training camp is the only time they get to go see this in person. Everybody has a phone now, so everybody's right here. Yeah, but that's not the same thing. That's not the same thing as being there. I think everybody sees everything. No, that's what I said. I said Media Wise and excessibility on your phone. Yeah, you get all that and more now than that, but it's not the same as being this close to a player face to face. It's just really cool. Did you go to training campital nate, did you ever go to training camp? Training Camp? Yeah, isn't that? Isn't it? Training camp was so cool. I I you know, I used to go with my dad out to widen. There I took DJ and Andrew to to Lehi, even though Andrew's too young to remember. Probably UH fortunately, DJ remembers. I didn't care for the hour plus hour and a half ride up there. That was a little much because he had to wake up so early in the morning, but I loved going up there and I loved sharing that with my dad and I loved sharing that with my with my boys, going up there and being able to participate that in that with them and being standing right next to a guy like John Runyon, the size of somebody like John Runyon, you know, and seeing them and seeing Brian Dawkins, my my favorite eagles player of all time, being close enough where I could reach out and shake their hand if they if I wanted to, or something like that. That that builds such a such a loyalty. I think when you have that, uh, closeness and that proximity to players, you get to speak with them a little bit. You know, back in the day, uh kids used to that. They used to hand their equipment to kids. The kids would carry it back to the to the to the locker room or whatever, you know, whatever they went back to at the end of practice, that sort of thing. You Got Autographs at the end of practice. I used to hang around at why there and get autographs from different players. Uh. I remember one practice we were out there at wine there and Leonard Too's came in in a helicopter and landed his helicopter in the middle of a baseball field next to practice and just kicked up all kinds of dirt and the entire training camp shut down while the helicopter was landing because all this ship was flying all over the place. And mean, nobody's gonna be able to get to experience something like that today and just, you know, seeing seeing the players up close and being able to talk to them and being and getting their autographs and, you know, maybe being able to carry their equipment back to the to the locker room, stuff like that. No kid today, nobody under the age of you know, that was a kid. It's gonna it was going to be able to say that they had that experience. It's it's just it's a shame that they're taking away that. And I think it built more loyalty when you got to see your your favorite players up close and personal. I just felt it built more of a camaraderie, more loyalty and you became a better fan for it. And then you have all the stories that you get to tell of of those experiences and you know how you were able to share it with your kids or your father's maybe your grandchildren if you were that old. And I think it's a shame they took one big thing is like the social media aspect. Everybody it's not the same. It's not the same. Player safety not the same. But I will, I will agree with the player's safety. What safety? You do it? There's there's the crazy, there's crazy fans nowadays. That now I hear you, I hear you. You know what I mean, like I hear you. But they can control it more at a stadium than they put at a college campus, you know. So I understand the player's safety aspect. They do, but you have to get you have to get a yeah, you have to get like a special you know, the gym pass. Yeah, you did. They got. I think it was a season ticket thing. I don't know. See, that's they they're trying to limit the amount of contact. And you also got to think of as much as we don't care right everything with the health and safety protocols, which, to me, you know, yeah, today, you have to take that into account. You do. But, like, I think, players safety and like you know, not to even bring it and the other...

...thing. But, like these guys don't want to be caught on camera doing anything they shouldn't and, like nate said, everybody's got a phone. Well then, just don't do anything he shouldn't do. It matter like even like, let's just say nates net money moss right, he's a star defensive. He's got to get into the thing because he's got video. I'M A kid. Oh, you know, nate, can you autograph my thing? He walks away. Next thing you know it's on social media and nate can't stand kids. Well, then that could happen. Now, then then you just you just say hey, look, hey, look at the interaction. You just say hey, kid, look, I would love I'm not saying I would love that. I would love to hang out and chat for a couple of seconds, but I got to get this something that's really important for team. Saying that, but it doesn't always look that way when everybody's got a phone and can record everything. Look at the whole thing that happens. I think using NATA's that example was bad. I don't it's an athlete. I think nate wouldn't turn down give. I'm not saying would, but I'm saying if he did, now he's Jim, Jim, Jim. I could see Jim doing that. I could see de Yeah, because he just saw them. Rant could tell your whole history and I gotta go yeah, yeah, but you, but you also got to remember like they give back the professional athletes, but I think people always forget, like as much money as these guys are human at the end of the day, there are people at the end of the day. They have emotions, they have feelings and they they do have their bad days and they have to suck it up, just like all of us, like we all have to suck it up and go to work. They have to suck it up and going to work and deal with that. Yeah, everybody. I get that. Everybody has a bad day at work. There's a point where it's it's like I've been doing it, I've been I had a practice, I'm doing autographs and pictures for, you know, an hour and a half, two hours, and there's still an hour line. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, like you just want to you just want to go. At that point, that's what you say. You said, Hey, look, I'm sorry, but I gotta cut it here because I gotta get I gotta get the meetings or we got a film session, you know, or or for lunches in ten minutes. The bigger thing, because I know this now from working in the Memorabili, a lot of these guys have contracts and they can't do not. They can't do anything. They can't even pick up a pen, as crazy as that sounds at a if they're not, if they're not, if they're not, like they can't. You're right. It's all about the money. It's all about the of course it's all under contract. Yeah, out wrong. If you're a fanatics athlete, you can't sign nothing if you don't have your boy James. That's bad news for you, Buddy, James hard you know who's next? Maxie hurts, he goes. Isn't fanatics. He's already with I know. But they're gonna go to football. Probably Ruben's gonna get anybody. You can well know he will. But what I'm saying hurts already has a contract. But hurts does sign for kids, but somebody's big companies. Don't you think went would sign for a kid? He did the other day. I saw not good for it. Did you actually did you see? I don't know if you saw the video or the pictures of the commanders training camp. The Fan turnout. Oh my God, it's embarrassing. Oh, they there's nobody there. They haven't opened the yeah, nobody there and that's another thing. That's another when you know when Teo first signed with the Eagles, there were twenty five thousand people at that first training camp. I mean Washington. But on any given Dave, just just a regular training camp without t O, there was probably eight to ten thousand people there. I would say more than that, I know. But it's still philly. But no, but, but nate. Washington. I mean that's a football city of town. It's traditional, it's a traditional but they're not fans like us. Dude. They had I think, I don't know if you saw the pictures of video, they had maybe ten people. Remember the days. I remember the Mark Ripkins, I remember Um, what's his name? Brian Mitchell when he was there, Darryl Green, I remember some of the old guys from the Washington team. It's still ain't philly. They're not old. Sonny Jorgenson, Billy Kilmer, Charlie Brown, those guys are rolled. They don't know. You have no idea who I'm talking about. I know, I know I don't. I'm going. I'm going back to the early seventies. Darrell Green played for like twenty years and he retired twenty years ago. So, like I remember some of those guys. But, like I said, I think that I'm biased because obviously I'm from we're from Philly, but there's nothing like fans in the city, especially there are especialty eagles almost all our sports. That's another thing we agree on. Wow, it's getting scary. They do a lot of things, like they did that whole autism bike ride where they could interact with fans and stuff like. I think with practice like it's just such a different it's a different business to them. Now practice is like going to work. You don't want somebody looking over your shoulder. That's what I wish I could go to work for fifty eight minutes a day. But what I'm saying is like to them it's like business. They go in, they do their practice. They don't want to deal with the media, they don't want to deal with the fans. Sure, I got it. Get that, but when you're getting paid some millions of dollars, heish. I don't want...

...to go to act. When you're a professional athlete getting paid hundreds of millions of dollars, the standards are a little different. You've got to have some sort of personality and appreciation for the people that are helping to provide for salary. They do. I think that's a little harsh. They do. I mean they give back a lot, a lot of these they do. But, like smitty just said, they don't want to deal with certain things. Sure, and I wouldn't either. I mean some of these fans are fit and these fans are providing your salary, but I mean outside the house, wait outside Novicare with a bunch of stuff to side. Now that's bullshit. Now, that's bullshit. Now, I get it, I get it, but they're contributing to their salary. Those guys, those guys might not be buying tickets, buying merchandise. I mean, I think it's a little harsh to say that these guys need to I know what you're trying to say, like with the with the ones that smitty just mentioned. No, I can I can understand that. I'm good with blowing them off. No finch, smittee, but if an adults out there looking for my autograph, like, you know, outside a gate or something like that. Now, but here's the other thing. Everything's changed now in society right, like we talked about that. Remember Le High. First a hundred people randomly would get an autograph. Now, if the kids don't get an autograph, there's gonna be so many different what they what the person didn't get it for, because I'm this type of a person, or or you know, somebody'll remember everything sensitive. Now at Lehigh what they used to do is they used to set up tables and they would have no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, they know, they would. They would tell you before practice that these these players will be available after practice for autographs under the tent. Everybody went no, I think they had no, it was open to the public, Dude. Yes, yes, I remember, the lane would be. I vaguely remember both of these situations because I remember. I remember specifically Brian Westbrook was one time we were there. He was available and he's my favorite Eagle and I bought and I bought a Brian Westbrook it's in my room. I bought a Brian Westbrook picture frame with the stats and on in a little story of them, and I was like, Oh, I'm gonna go get this signed by him and I couldn't get it. I couldn't go and I don't remember. I don't remember if they maybe for the upper echelon players it was like that. But if it was like the third drink guard or we had to have a ticket or something, I can't remember. Well, then why would why would they announce it to the you know, the general public, that we're at the practice, these players are going to be available. Everybody's sensitive these days that they don't get that athletes this was. This was years ago. It's different now, but back then I don't think it was as bad. But now I can understand the ticket having to make sure you have a ticket, like, let's just say, for example, which you've seen before. I'll give hearts in an example. Say Hearts is running off the field some special needs kid trying to get his attention hurts. Don't hear him. Now there's a video. No, no, no, no. He'll avoid all that stuff by closing it out to the media. I hear you. I was just gonna ask for Nate and Smithy, since you guys still have young kids. Yeah, after this will take a quick break. But just one last question, because you guys have young kids. Wouldn't you like to take your kids to, you know, an open practice like they used to do? And Yeah, I definitely would. I mean, don't you think it's a little bit of it and and and no offense against daughters, but it was really special going with my dad and my and my two sons. I believe it, and it would be with my son and it would be, I think any any kids? Yeah, anybody? Oh, yeah, if I, if I had a daughter who was was a football fan, I would love bringing her and this and that, but it's it's it's a little more special when it's between a father and song but like, I guess I'll take her to the ones in the length but not yet and just just the round out before we go to a break. I think that nowadays it's a lot different, because what your kids before. I think back before, fathers would push their kids into different sports. I think I think the father more open mind, a more open minded like I'm gonna let my son figure out what sport he likes. Versus versus, like I play football, I play basketball. Now you're gonna play football and you play like my son, he he plays baseball. I was terrible at baseball, but he plays baseball now. It's it's weird because I was an athlete, so I could switch hit, which is weird. But Um, like I wasn't good in the field, though. I had no arm, you know what I mean, like I didn't. Doesn't have interest in playing, like he's he's athletic, like it's like my kids are weird. They're athletic, but they like different from the side the athletic.

Not at all, not at all. You waited until she left to say that day I asked her. I said you should have did the open. It would have been nice and Nice, little soft. Actually, yes, why didn't thinking about that? She's like no, I'm shy. I was like no, we could have given you a script and that would have been a nice like saft would have been. It could have gotten much more like. It would have been such a switch from hearing me and you seeing you, guys, did you hit this woman's voice and then you that? That would have been perfect. The people, the regular viewers of the show, would have been like, what the Hell's going right? But no, no athlete, no athletic, not even a touch of athlete on her side. Is He? Is He better than you were when you were that age? Um, I played football late, so probably he's. Probably he's more. He's more athleted and coordinated than I was when I was and so was my daughter. My daughter, my daughter, is probably more athletic than he is, but she just doesn't know it. She like a ladder germ. She'll she'll tear it up a ladder. Her foot quickness get in the track, don't we all say, get your free college education for them. She's the good thing about them that they're both very smart. There you go now that's what from them. Alright, alright, Santa, Santa boot first fanatics, we're gonna take a break. When we come back we're gonna get into a little phillies, so maybe talk a couple of training camp battles. You know, we appreciate you staying with us on this wonderful Thursday evening in downtown will grove. We'll be back in a few minutes. Thank you. Insure PHILLY DOT com, somebody's got a parison shop all the time. Can I get this cheaper Amazon, the store brand sea? Should I get a seconds you give me? So why not do that for your insurance needs? Better yet, why not have someone comparison shop for you? And in sure Philly DOT com you can get up to ten quotes in about ten minutes with top insurance characters like progressive travels nationwide selected liberty, mutual and compass, Kemper and Berkshire half away owner agent Matt Maloney provides top national carriers with top local service. Just go to insure PHILLY DOT COM to get your quote online, or call Matt at two three zero zero nine nine zero. For All your insurance business and medicare insurance plans, make sure to go to insure philly dot com today or call two five three zero zero nine, five nine zero. Matt Maloney gives you the national carriers you recognize from a local company you can trust. INSHORE PHILLY DOT COM. Yeah, that's us. Where's Smitty, Smitty? Where ry Bit Smitty? Smitty is supposed to be the one bringing us back into this from the break, but he's stuff, I guess. I guess we can hand stuff in his face. So so smitty kind of talked about what we're gonna get into this second hand of the show and uh, it's not even a podcast. It's really just a show of guy's hanging out talking. You know what, isn't that just every week, though? I mean, we try to be there professional, but I I think that's what makes you guys great, unique go ahead. No, you could say it in an were unique. We're unique. I think it's not unique. I think it's normal bar talk. Yeah, and that's what we strive to base your drinks. You got some some lights behind you, got some some problems. You know, I mean, we're not. You got a TV, but if the game was on, if you told me to put the phillies game on, I would put the phillies game right on the TV screen, right in front of you. But you know what, we got that the average bar. Corner tappy doesn't have we gotta saying about. I'm sure you could find a Santa do at a bar. All Right, we got a seventy three year old San did you say tappy too? Yes, corner tappy. Oh my God, I don't say that, please don't. What is that from? Is that just a Philly? It's just yeah, it's a reference to a corner bar. You ever heard that? Corner TAP, corner tappy? We're going to get back into ours. This is where you were supposed to come in at. I was, I was two minutes ago, just eating our wonderful mom and me Mama me is. Tonight we had the pepperoni special. That was delicious. We also had some wings and I was just eating the barbecue wings. So thanks, mom, and me's everything for what I wasn't gonna say. Forget, but the whole show. You've had it and I don't think you're lucky enough to be far away from the camera. Yeah, it's gonna Zoo man. So we go in Phillies? OR SHOULD WE FINISH UP? Of Theirs? I think we gave I think we hit enough on the I mean, I mean we kind of touched on the training game battles last week. If you were years to many, you wouldn't. Yeah, yeah, but I just spend time. Yeah, what a loser,...

...but but, but, uh. I mean I think last week we kind of talked about not so much the battles, because we what you want to see, what we wanted to see and what we were most looking forward to a position. So I think a lot of us, obviously we talked to linebackers and the line you know, because there's, you know, the new the new guys, Na Kobe Dean, you because you're white, Jordan Davis, you want to see if Fletcher Cox still has anything left in the tank, and you have Javon Hargrave, who was showing flashes. So I think that's what and then you also have your edge rushers, son Reddick. Yeah, I mean I think that was one thing I did want to touch on. We we definitely talked about that a little bit and look at Nate, such a professional, but I heard him a lot of coverage and I don't I don't like that. That's the part I don't like. Did you hear that today, Reddick? A lot of the ways you're using him right now is they're dropping him in coverage and the best is that he had when he rushed the Pan during today's walk through or yesterday's fifty eight minute practice. Doesn't you know what? That's what they're doing now. I think I heard they're actually going through what they're not going to do in this season to get it out of the way and then they're gonna go hard all the rest of the training. Can Be like this is what we're doing all year, because Dee Martin saidled Santabo first how much he ate at this train. You know they're listening. So transitioning back to the phillies, typical phillies fashion, right, we come back from the All star break, get the cubs, we get swept by thee we know we sweep the marlins going into which they could never do, and everyone at Miami and everyone's like, oh, and then maybe, yeah, the cubs were one of the worst teams in baseball. They lose all three. So I know that we think the sky's falling. Then they reel us back in. And when through out of three against Atlanta. There for nothing right now? Yes, they they they everything good they did in Miami. They negated by losing. The three were still I don't know what they were, but they were still out on break. They were a yeah, I guess, and it was. It was. This team is so frustrating. It might be delayed. He scored seven nothing for nothing, but nate has he might be on his phone looking. If he did, he's probably looking at the comments. See swarmber bomb. Here we go like we watched that baby out of here. Kyle Schwarburg beast. What's his average now? Two Oh three. That's Kyle's thirty. First thirty. Second of the year. I thought he was with the batting average of two Oh four. Ex of velocity on that pitch was a hundred and nine miles. We were actually talking on the way up my dad. Do you think? Do you think he gets the fifty home runs? No, yes, I think he could get close. He gets five? I think he gets close. Now what do we we still got what sixties something game left, today's game. Somebody let off and had fifty home runs. Has It ever been done? Well, that's a good question. Well, Ricky Henderson never did it and he has the most home runs by a leadoff hitter. That's a really good question. How many did he have? Summer? Maybe even? I don't think Ricky ever had more than thirties. She wasn't really a power hit, or was he? Because he he's stole a lot of bases. Yeah, he's got the all time record base Um, he probably had three hundred plus home runs. But when Cigarrett comes back, do you move cigar back in the lead off for Lee Schwerber there? Oh Man, you know what runs. That was his most his most w what do you have for a career, Ricky Henderson? Oh, I said over three hundred. Yeah, he played twenty something. Ye, that I was going to bring up with J with the team tonight. See sigore comes back. Right, what do you do? Because to me stops earning that job at shortstop and I said D I don't. I don't leave stotted. I could move on the second. Then where what you put the Goord Short? Yeah, and just have D D Off The bench. I don't know. Man Stott has been approven shortstop his whole career, but he is playing. Well, a second. So I guess you gotta Maton is not coming back. Right. Well, who gives a ship? But he was, he was playing. But so I guess I'm looking at two ways. You're right if you think Stott is your second basement of the future. Right, and you've gotta sign like we talked about a bow garch or trade turner. Then you leave stotted second and you moved cigar to shortstop. Rights ever played shortstop? Yeah, US, he played short stower phillies a little bit too, but what I'm saying, and he struggled. So then. So then do you put if you're signing trade? Well, it's a good problem to have, it is. I mean, because you have two answers at shortstop. You know, I mean ded. I mean he hasn't been good this year exactly. So I not have off the bench. So then who are you starting at short so...

...you're leaving started second and that's his position of the future. Actually, that's what I'm saying, that it's a good thing. I mean CIGURA has been really well. It's short star at second. He's actually been a lot better at second. I mean, here's the thing. Do you think they're bringing Sigar back next year? He gets his options seventy million, or do you think crazy lightning going on right now? My Bad, I found out it's Alfonso Soriano. Two thousand three. He wins. He was forty two, didn't he? Or something to well, Schwarber is gonna kill it. Oh God, Schwarper's up by four home runs in the National League over a Oh man. So let me ask you this. Are we looking at betting? You know, we gotta get. Don't do it. I would go over. Are you talking about M v P or at home? Wrong? He's not getting. He's not his average. His average is too bad, too long, but home Ron's. I mean, if there's a live bet on, I wouldn't. I mean it's probably right, but I would take the bed of leading the National League. I would take I might take that. That bed was in the beginning of the year. He was probably like I would say he was probably in the time one. Maybe. Yeah, at least say he was probably like the ten to fifteen. You think about it. Good that. You think about Schwarber. Ten, fifteen home runs. Oh, I got you. I got you, Smitty. I knew. I mean I thought if you go back and review the tapes, and I think I'm pretty I think I was the one said you said he would hit thirty. I'm pretty sure I also, I thought. Didn't I say? Didn't one of US say castanos would have the most room runs? Maybe he's been such a disappointment. I mean, yes, and now I mean, but people, I mean people have bad stretches right, right, like don't hit her going, dude, he's had a bed forget bad stretch. He's had a bad season's got an R but I mean, but isn't allowed, not, not when you're getting paid twenty Mil. We'll hold on. And you were brought in. Is supposed to beat his big addition to the team right now? Not even I don't think. I think, including tonight. Maybe, yeah, but hold on. Jack Fritz, a guy from W I P, tweeted out today or yesterday that now he's not making this as the excuse, but Castiano's, if you remember, did get hit on the pitch on the wrist back in I think he said it was may, early May, and he was really good. He was his average was three forty songs, and he thinks that maybe that had something to do with his swing. You mean that mit that he wears on his hand? He wears it because the risk got hit and he wasn't wearing it before that. I don't think so. And he thinks that might have been a problem. Now with his swing, is he can't go fully because of the getting hit by the pitch on the wrist. He thinks he's not saying that's the problem and but he said maybe he's speculate, he's just putting it out there. You know, hey, maybe, and I and I could obviously definitely see that. I mean you need your risk to turn, you know, turn the bat down, and obviously that could be a problem if it's hurting you. So maybe that's the issue that Castiano is the only with. I don't know, but nonetheless he has to be better. Joe, Joe White asking is there a bet for the next time Castiano's hits a home run, so you can bet him that can beat on him to hit a home run every game. I don't think there's what? Yeah, yeah, you can. There's not a bet, though, when he's gonna hit, like he's gonna hit a home run in the next three games. I mean you probably could find it, but it wouldn't be like something like an I know some sports books do like every pick. Like like some sports books like Funky type BET. You can bet the borl kind of crazy bets where you can bet like is, you know, like Bruce Harper's gloves read like that's Vegas. WHO's Bruce Harper? Bryce Harber? Alright, I'm just saying see like a new edition they got? Yeah, yeah, but listen, I would honestly you think he gets over fifty? I think he gets. I think he gets close to Ft. I don't think he's about forty five. I think he gets right now. I think many games we've left sixty, sixty two tonight. Tonight is game nine. So one s nine, it's fifty. No, they got sixty two left. It'll be sixty six the odds for you. So we just have regular season home run leader. That's all we have right now. No, it's judge. Yeah, because he's got like forty, just pushing league. Oh yeah, it's total. So he's judges minus five fifty. Schwarber's plus six hunter. I would take that. That's good plus money value for Schwarber, who's just first, and he might actually have thirty nine,...

...thirty or thirty nine. Yeah, I saw that too. Where he would he go? I don't know. What's that judge. There's rumors that judge isn't going to resign with the Yankees. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But why would you knock go back to the Yankees because they can't pay him through? The Yankees will make it work. They could give two craps about that. Uh, the salary cap, if they could. Have to be the lights play player in the League right now. Much money they make off of that network, the yes network. So who's gonna PAY HIM IN BOSTON? Why not? They don't. Would say Boga dodgers. What's his contest? What's that? What's his contract like? Right now he's making like two millions. What's he going to get? Like what he's gonna get? Five million? Him and soda are going to break the record. Has Anybody ever gotten five on the millions? Not Base so do you just turn four? Turned down how much, but nose over four for sixty or four four and he turned it down. But that's insane. Nationals, the national stink. I don't care. Like I told the guy worked today, I would go play baseball in Siberia for four hundred sixty million dollars. I don't know about that. I would might end up dead now. I would. I build it. I would build the dome and play. Build though. Is that even a good average over years? If you got to look at how much? I don't think it was fifteen. I think it was twelve years. It was twelve, wasn't it? So you said sixty. I thought it was twelve years. So that's thirty two point six million. I'd say that's pretty good, because you gotta figure again thirty two. What's Harper gain? He's getting lesson. He had thirteen years for three thirty, though. Thirteen years for three thirty for harper something, but we got a cheap right like that was the relatively broke. No, that at the time. That was the record. Yeah, he's but now now looking at your trout's got four plus right. Yeah, Dude. That's the thing I was going to ask Angels Don Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't think he's done. But here's his career is going to be different. He's not going to be as you know. Here's a quest as much as an impact. Do you think if they want to make good time the face of the franchise, even though you'd have to take trade trade trout, you think he doesn't get as big a return because he could just be a full time dature? Are you really thinking that feelings are gonna Trade for Trout? No, I'm just saying, if I'm the angels, who do you want to keep long term? That's my discussion. You got to get a team that's gonna take that risk. Well, then you gotta remember the angels also have to pay Rendon. They're locked into that and he sucks exactly. So you'd probably be better off moving rendon to get rid of that contract. They called that a ball. Wow, get the bots. Joe Says he needs one more strikeout from will or hit of teen dollars. Come on, come on, wheeler, what is that? Get to get there? Well, we are only at like sixty, seventy pitchers. Joe, you should get two more innings. It might complete. Yeah, might as well. They pull him around like dude. That that drove me nuts the other night when they got two hits. He's gonna he's got to go complete game. Yeah, they got. They pulled some of those guys, especially if they're up. They like because, because it's funny, how good as wheeler has been, he only averages like maybe like five or six case, but he gets pulled in the sixth inning typically, from what I've seen, because it was a bat that I was looking at, he's getting. He's had some rough starts where. Yeah, there's been like two or three games this year I feel like the no, didn't he. Dude, we were at that game. He only lit up three hits and one of them was a bad pitch. Show run game. No, that was that was the game we were at. He let up on else was. Well, it was the extra innings. And what was the game where they got destroyed? Was that Wednesday? I mean, was that Saturday or Sunday? There's one where they got this. Yeah, it was open the yeah, it was the opening game. It was Gibson. It was Gibson. That was a Friday night. I thought it was a wheeler for some reason Gibson. Yeah, let me ask you, like, do you so were three days, four dies from the deadline, on the deadline. We were talking about that because the bullpens. I think the bullpen's actually yeah, I never I never saw available. I never thought as late as June, I would say, you know, like mid June. I would say that the phillies bullpen looks pretty good. But it looks pretty good as long as I keep familiarly on the bench out there. It looks pretty good. I would start thinking about I think they need. They need an a, a center fielder and a starter, a starter. That's that's do, I think, because one isn't coming...

...back. That's why they need another star from the angel. Do you want that, though? He's watched goods. I don't think he has his e r a is fo dude. Ef One is better than that. Is Not coming back. But you know, it's like, what are you trading? I don't think you have to give that's Gibson. Are you trading? Are you trading for what? He was the name, the guy from the red you can't afford because they're not giving up prospects. What about, uh, the name from the prospects? They have worth giving up. They're not giving because they said guys they want to they can't get Frankie Manton's good to give up big guys. I would, but they're not. See, that's the problem with the phillies. The farm systems depleted. No, it's the problem is now they have a couple of guys and they don't want to give them up. I don't know if you guys heard this this week, but I look back at Dombrowski I was like, maybe he's not full ship because when he was with the Marlins and he's with the Tigers, he brought these guys up. He's talking about pain and able. Maybe in the major's next year. I'd love to see. Yeah, that's been the problems with the phillies for years, not bringing guys up. You're which we thought about in the middle of now I'm not now. Yeah, that's I'm considering. I would consider hoskins for the right price. Do you have to well, when's the trade in three days? Do you have to make a move? Yes, I think you have to if you want to, if you want the fact to be down there and there's a commitment. But the problem is that there. Well, it's not a problem because they're in the playoff hunt. But but you don't have anything to move. But you have to be buyers. You can't sit. So what do you do? Because you gotta make a move to get over that. You're going to have to move. You're going to have to move. That the bet attended. Big Deal. It's like I would inder fielder, but you know, when Harper comes back, you have a problem. What problem? Because he's a right fielder. Yeah, and attendee, even though he would play center field, but you put him in center field. We talked about the way you have put field. I mean, who's out there that's a center fielder that's available? Like, who have you heard? Because the Marlin, anybody up for sale? Like he's no longer happen. I would take him. I was kind of falling off a bit, though. Here. HAP is ant had better than anything we have right now. Then what's the deal? Orioles move centric moulins. He's a young star for them, though not a star by young Alca. But the orioles are winning too. Right, they were, but they're they're not. They're not. They're selling because they're gonna sell train. Um, I mean, what do you have on this team to trade. I mean, you're not. You're not giving like, you're not, like no, I wouldn't give up any young guys. You're not giving up boom, you're not. I would sell the shift out of MONIAC. I'll be like, Hey, he's a former number one pick and still has you're not getting a bag at baseball for something. What happens to MONIAC? Like he started off, he sucks. Now he doesn't. If you're getting a center field back, Better Center Field Y, center field. So why is he just not? He never panned out. He's, he's, he's I don't know. He can't hit. Tip for it. Simply. I mean he can play defense a bit, but his, his, his, he can't hit. He's got a whip football battut there. He really he is really weak at the plate. I would absolutely move D D. D D would be an interesting piece in the trade because he's a guy for for a team in the playoffs. Like he's a good piece to have, room guy. Yeah, he's a good piece to have, especially come playoff time. In the field. Yeah, he's in short because you have a hobby. I like stops. I understand he's a good back. Would you move Garrett Stubbs and bring up a hobby. If that, if you're getting a good player in return, then yes, that's big piece of your boy, your boy him. I don't I don't know, because that's what I'm saying, like that's the like. What was that to six or five? I think they brought him up to showcase him a little deek. It was weird that they brought him up, but he was raking down. But I mean what did he have nine home runs in like eight games? I mean that you gotta you gotta get a team that just is out of it, that doesn't really like the a's, like the warriors as good. Yeah, blave him up for nothing and he's under team control. Bennett, Bennett or Ben attended. He would have been the perfect guy. He would have happen. You can go in and happen, but what do you think you're giving up for him? You gotta they they're gonna want young player. I mean any team that's out of it's...

...gonna want young players for their up and coming season. I'll be calling their cheap future. Yeah, so that's the problem with Philly's faces that they don't have chips to trade right. So not currently. But that's why we're not paid to do this job and that's why they leave it the dumb. I go back to like we don't have a lot of chips to trade. I get that, but even like when we trade it for like stairs, was that? Was that? Like? was that like a big though? But what about Joe Blane? And we didn't have great chips when we got him. Yeah, I think Dobrawski'll find a way. I don't know what the answer is. Ian Has a nice one. If I get Ian Hap, I think I want to ask for Robertson back to just to show up that bullpen. He's a free agent after two years. Thirty Times already tried him once he did. But you know what I mean, like yeah, I hear you, you gotta get another. I mean, who else? Who else is out there? I don't know WHO's out there. I only do Ben Attendee and I know I know Ian Hap, Ben Attendee. Frankie monsis has been thrown around. Kiss cast out another hit. So let me issue this. If sodo gets moved, help fielder, right. That helps field available from from San Diego. Is there? Like I'm trying to think. I don't think they really I don't think they really have like the teams that are out of it. Do they have a center field or that's what you gotta look at. Yeah, now I hear you, Smitty. It makes good points. I mean the Red Sox, look, they're starting to fall out of it. Where's Jackie Bradley Jr right, like that's the kind of guy. Well, the Red Sox have the dude they traded in the mookie betts deal. Um, what the Hell is his name? Number five? I don't know why. I can't think of his name right now. Like I this guy. Everybody's gonna warrt. I'm just not moving him stop. I think he's gonna be. I think I, like you said, big piece. This guy is the closest thing for stop, the closest thing to that we've had at second basins at least. Are you kidding me? Scott kingery was Dustin Majori Jr, but you don't really think that that. I think this kid has joe white brought up. Joe White, says Verdugo. I would take him. Who? Who? Oh my God, Oh my God, what the Hell's you know? A couple of minutes I know I'm talking about Joe. Joe makes a good point, and I've always said this too, when when injured players come back, he says Bryce Harper might be the best trade deadline acquisition for them if he returns healthy. Yes, the two of them, and I've always said that sometimes, um injured players coming back the next year are your free agent acquisitions, you know, because they missed a big chunk of the season or the whole season the year before and when they come back, yeah, you know they were already on the team but they didn't play that the year before. So that's your big free agent acquisition. And I agree with this about Joe saying that's your trade deadline acquisition. Is Uh as, bryce Harper and and I also Agreece the core. So here's here's the top five people are talking about right now. They go to read our Trade Deadline Guy, Zach Davies from the diamondbacks. He's got a two, point three eight, you know, strike guy. He's coming back from his shoulder surgery. Like, I don't think you're getting anybody crazy. I've really told maybe you can. You know, I just don't. You need an outfielder. That's the biggest thing. You need a center fielder, they need a center fielder in the worst way. But I mean defensive baseball team defensively has to be strong up the middle from all the way from catcher all the way up to the center field, including picture, shortstop, second base to so and and when, when, and when you're weak in the outfield because the Outfield, the center fielder is the boss of the outfield. They're supposed to get everything they can possibly get from gap to gap. And if you don't have a center fielder that can do that and take charge in the outfield go get everything from gap to gap, then you're weak defensively in the outfield because you're you're corner. Raft fields are usually bigger guys with not a lot of range and they're going to, you know, basically cover say, a hundred feet from the line, you know, and that's it. And Uh, the center fielder has to cover everything else. So you've got to be strong in that center field and they don't have a strong defensive center fielder right now. The thing is veeling is serviceable for now. Become playoff times exactly, he's going to get exposed. You need an MLB level. Yeah, YOU'RE gonna get exposed. One thing that the phillies have going for him in the short series is like. I like their chances, if we'll absolutely wheeler knows, is a great one too for short playoffs. So as we wrap up our show, you know, Um, what are we looking at in terms of what this time next week is any moves, you can say? I'm gonna say too. Well, I don't. I'm I'll take the under. I'll say maybe one, because I think they're gonna it won't be a big splash. I know they can't, I know, but...

...they can. If they win and they're in the playoffs, it won't be empty. Dude. If they don't make moves, what's that show you as a fan? It means the means they have nothing to trade and they're also trusting the team that they have, which has been winning. Now, I I agree with you they need to make a move, but reality tells me they make no move and stand pat and they're gonna wait on Harper and Sagore to come back, like you just said. So when when Harper? September? Now, apparently he got another thing, he got pins taken out of something. Sagore is a real uh high right now, so he could be back next week he could be yeah, yeah, I mean if you get you get the guys back. We're hurting Alex Sagar and Harper and they come back like they were playing. They're making the playoff. And I say two moves. This is the two moves. These are I'm not saying they're gonna be big. I think they will get another piece just to shrop the bullpen. So I think you can always, always have a stronger book. And then I think you're either going to get a center field or spot rotation starter. It could be a move like the Gibson move where you goton and what's his name? The closure last year that he didn't work out really that well. But Memory Workman. Now who's the closer? We treated for the guy that was with the Yankees? Remember? He came in a close list. Yeah, wasn't that good? I don't remember. Remember. Yeah, I know, I know who you're talking about. Damn it. What was his name? I Kennedy, Kennedy, yes, yeah, remember. Yes, and the moves I'm talking about, like you said, boguards. This morning I was like that'd be greatly happening. So I'm taking the under. But if I say two moves, YOU'RE gonna over stand pat. I think they make a minor move. Probably make a minor move, but which is going to do you what bench? He got bench. You don't need bench. Depth. He need you need you need a center fielder and you need a third start. Didn't playoff type move, but you know, I hit a bat off. There was that guy that they're always chasing every year from Kansas City, what's his name, with Mary Field or whatever. Can he played? I wonder if you can play center field like he plays all the positions. They need center fielder. They get a center fielder. I think they're you know, and I think. I think I would move hoskins if I could. I don't know. We'll see, but that's it for another episode. Keeping you up there, DJ. I mean it's just not the same one out. I mean Jim is like the parent of this show, like we're just the idiots, I don't think. And Jim is what the parent, the parents feel like keeps. Have you hung around with Jim for the last I know it's Jim, but I feel like you have. You got the script, he's got the Poles and have script. He has notes. Where are notes? Our notes are out of our ASS. Mean, he just you just feel like a more professional presence when Jim's here. Sometimes I don't be feeding the beast. I'm not trying to, but I just you, just I just know that there's just different Gardner minshew, it's a quarterback. That's Hey, he won a game though. He Won. Wow, you see what flange just said, DJ saying Jim is more of a parent than his dad. Four. Well, why here tonight? He's usually he's another one. He's like our our go to Nick Foles, and he did not call him nick foles. He's nowhere to be found. I'm calling a B out. Where's he at? I don't know. He's nowhere to be somewhere. Are you calling a blant him to come to the studio? Somewhere? Speak for yourself. So he's somewhere in he just got back from coaching. That's say. He just got back from coaching. That's the mayor of ch not your cousin. They run together. They're there the mayor. They're they're out there walking the streets, walking their dogs. You know, hey, there's Brian. I wonder if they lived near each other. Hey, be do you live near Chris? I thought we they've talked about this for but this is off the shot. He says season over, Saturday. I will be back next week. Oh Hell Yeah, all right, you know, it looks to it. I think people, I think, will be out next week. So catch us in two weeks maybe. Do you live near Chris or no? Dude, answer off the show. Nobody wants to stick here for comments. See that a mile away. Thanks. Thanks. He's a mile away. Thanks people. We appreciate it, as always. Go phillies, go eagles, enjoy the soft training. CACT US. Up Birds. There goes the shut out foul. That was fair. There goes the foul ball. Alright, still in play. All right, we're done. Eight.

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